Friday, February 15th, 2008...12:54 pm

When being interrogated, be very, very specific about demanding your rights.

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This is another entry in the semantic-wonk category. A Ninth Circuit opinion (en banc) caught my eye today because it had four individual components — the opinion, a concurrence, a dissent and a partial concurrence/partial dissent. Oy! Anderson v. Terhune. The issue that stirs up all this controversy was a Constitutional one — the Fifth Amendment and when you’ve truly invoked it.

Once upon a time, a guy named Jerome Alvin Anderson was arrested in Shasta County on suspicion of murdering a friend for stealing another friend’s car. According to Judge McKeown, writing for the majority, this happened at his interrogation:

Anderson twice attempted to stop police questioning, stating “I don’t even wanna talk about this no more,” and “Uh! I’m through with this.” After questioning continued, Anderson stated unequivocally, “I plead the Fifth.” Instead of honoring this unambiguous invocation of the Fifth Amendment, the officer queried, “Plead the Fifth. What’s that?” and then continued the questioning, ultimately obtaining a confession. It is rare for the courts to see such a pristine invocation of the Fifth Amendment and extraordinary to see such flagrant disregard of the right to remain silent.

Judging solely by the opinion, the police seem not to have interpreted Anderson’s requests as deal-breakers until he said “I’d like to have an attorney present.” But after a break, they decided he wanted to keep going, continued the interrogation and eventually got a confession. Anderson was subsequently convicted of murder with special circumstances. He argued with the Superior Court and the CA that his confession was inadmissible, but both courts thought his request to take the Fifth was ambiguous. It ended up before the Ninth Circuit because he asked for a writ of habeas corpus (and got it, which I think is pretty rare). If you’re interested in criminal defense or judicial references to pop culture, there’s more good stuff in the opinion.

Let’s ignore the interrogation transcript for a moment and turn to the way the Ninth Circuit interpreted it. The majority seems to be saying that the state courts were unreasonable in finding that Anderson’s Fifth Amendment request was ambiguous. Even if he kept talking after that, they said, it doesn’t matter because law enforcement has a duty to back off once you take the Fifth. The concurrence, by Silverman and Rawlinson, says they agree but want to make sure people know they think the state courts were unreasonable on one issue, not legally incorrect. (Not sure how to interpret their motives for this — judicial politeness or genuine legal hair-splitting?) The concurrence/dissent, by Bea, seems to agree that Anderson clearly took the Fifth, but says that because he re-initiated the conversation afterward, his confession is legit. The dissenters, Tallman and Callahan, seem to believe that context shows that the state courts were not unreasonable — Anderson did not clearly invoke his Fifth Amendment rights, and the police officer was legitimately trying to clarify when they asked what the Fifth Amendment is.

I am drawing two lessons here: First, appeals judges are very, very interested in the Fifth Amendment and willing to split legal hairs over it. And second, if you’re ever in Anderson’s position, ask for a lawyer, shut up and stay shut up. He got a writ, but it took almost 11 years.

Edited to add a more educated take from a federal public defender at the Ninth Circuit blog.

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  • Based solely on your coverage of this issue, I can sort of see Bea’s point here, believe it or not. Sure, Anderson said he wanted stop talking and then sort-of took the fifth, but if he kept talking later on he didn’t really invoke it. Consider this hypothetical situation: Under interrogation a witness prefaces each response to an officer’s question with “I invoke my fifth amendment rights” but then proceeds to answer each question asked. Is his testimony admissible? I would say yes, as invoking the fifth is not equivalent to having immunity. I think the police are allowed to cajole and convince and even do some sort of sneaky stuff to try and trick witnesses into testifying, which, while sort of icky to me, is probably necessary.

    As far as the dissenters go, I find it hard to believe the cops didn’t know exactly what they were doing.

  • One of the criminal appellate defense folks I read, I think someone on the Ninth Circuit Blog, seemed to doubt how voluntary Anderson’s decision to continue the interview was. Though I don’t know if that’s experience as a defense lawyer or pure cynicism talking.

    As for the police officer, I don’t know which I’d prefer: That he was genuinely ignorant of the First Amendment or that he was lying. Both are bad news for our legal system.

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